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	<title>Comments on: PhonePayPlus need to adopt a zero tolerance policy</title>
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		<title>By: Manual Social Bookmarking</title>
		<link>http://www.aqa.63336.com/blog/mobile-regulation/zero-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-4734</link>
		<dc:creator>Manual Social Bookmarking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stephen Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting to see that PhonePayPlus are beginning to adopt our language. Its press release today states PREMIUM RATE REGULATOR WARNS ‘NO TOLERANCE FOR 076 SCAMS’
 ( http://www.phonepayplus.org.uk/output/news/PREMIUM-RATE-REGULATOR-WARNS-NO-TOLERANCE-FOR-076-SCAMS.aspx )

It is certainly a start. I&#039;m not sure why 076 scams are singled out. Surely the same policy could be adopted for all premium rate scams?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to see that PhonePayPlus are beginning to adopt our language. Its press release today states PREMIUM RATE REGULATOR WARNS ‘NO TOLERANCE FOR 076 SCAMS’<br />
 ( <a href="http://www.phonepayplus.org.uk/output/news/PREMIUM-RATE-REGULATOR-WARNS-NO-TOLERANCE-FOR-076-SCAMS.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.phonepayplus.org.uk/output/news/PREMIUM-RATE-REGULATOR-WARNS-NO-TOLERANCE-FOR-076-SCAMS.aspx</a> )</p>
<p>It is certainly a start. I&#8217;m not sure why 076 scams are singled out. Surely the same policy could be adopted for all premium rate scams?</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by the63336: Latest blog post: premium text regulator PhonePayPlus need to adopt zero tolerance policy: http://bit.ly/bY8SH3...</description>
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		<title>By: @Schroedinger99</title>
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		<dc:creator>@Schroedinger99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct that the law (in the 2003 act) is clear on &quot;spam&quot; - i.e. promotional material either charged or free. The problem is that if premium rate firms simply send out unsolicited reverse charge SMS containing jokes or tarot card readings or football results or whatever, this counts as a &quot;service&quot; (sic) and (at least according to Phonepayplus) is not covered by the 2003 act.

Such practice is not *explicitly* covered by the PP+ Code of Practice either (PP+ simply can&#039;t bring themselves to use the phrase &quot;unsolicited reverse charge SMS&quot; even though this is probably the biggest problem there is in the PRS sector) but PP+ do regularly take (ok woefully inadequate) action against this practice and, when they do, tend to describe it as being &quot;misleading&quot; - though quite how you can be misled by a firm you have never knowingly dealt with puzzles me.

As for you compliments on &quot;the-scream&quot; posts, there is still topical stuff being posted - see http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/f30.html? - but everything that needs to be said on the subject of PRS has been said many many times. What is missing is an adequate response.

I think one of the best threads on the-scream is http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t27689.html (which comes up 3rd if U google &quot;Andrew Bud&quot;. As well as being entertaining, this thread provides a good overview of to problems which we (ie those of us who would like to see this industry cleaned up) face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct that the law (in the 2003 act) is clear on &#8220;spam&#8221; &#8211; i.e. promotional material either charged or free. The problem is that if premium rate firms simply send out unsolicited reverse charge SMS containing jokes or tarot card readings or football results or whatever, this counts as a &#8220;service&#8221; (sic) and (at least according to Phonepayplus) is not covered by the 2003 act.</p>
<p>Such practice is not *explicitly* covered by the PP+ Code of Practice either (PP+ simply can&#8217;t bring themselves to use the phrase &#8220;unsolicited reverse charge SMS&#8221; even though this is probably the biggest problem there is in the PRS sector) but PP+ do regularly take (ok woefully inadequate) action against this practice and, when they do, tend to describe it as being &#8220;misleading&#8221; &#8211; though quite how you can be misled by a firm you have never knowingly dealt with puzzles me.</p>
<p>As for you compliments on &#8220;the-scream&#8221; posts, there is still topical stuff being posted &#8211; see <a href="http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/f30.html?" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/f30.html?</a> &#8211; but everything that needs to be said on the subject of PRS has been said many many times. What is missing is an adequate response.</p>
<p>I think one of the best threads on the-scream is <a href="http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t27689.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t27689.html</a> (which comes up 3rd if U google &#8220;Andrew Bud&#8221;. As well as being entertaining, this thread provides a good overview of to problems which we (ie those of us who would like to see this industry cleaned up) face.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.aqa.63336.com/blog/mobile-regulation/zero-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is great to see some other people are blogging about this problem, albeit a few years ago. You need to take up the torch again (great site btw).

My plea for adopting a zero tolerance policy is really part of a wider plea for PhonePayPlus to start interpreting the rules in favour of the consumers and to help start building trust in the industry. Your comment on PhonePayPlus interpreting the rules in favour of the rogue services is borne out by a separate correspondence I had with them a couple of years ago about spam.

The code is very clear on spam. In the PhonePayPlus fact sheet “Unsolicited promotions” http://www.phonepayplus.org.uk/upload/factsheet_unsolicitedpromotions.pdf it says &lt;em&gt;“service providers should note that senders of automated direct text messages must have the prior consent of the recipient before the message is sent”&lt;/em&gt;. The Privacy and Electronic Communication Regulations  http://www.ico.gov.uk/what_we_cover/privacy_and_electronic_communications/the_basics.aspx state you must have an opportunity to &lt;em&gt;“refuse the marketing when your details were collected”&lt;/em&gt;

I argued that sending a question to a text Q and A service (not ours of course!) is not an acceptance to receive spam as I had no opportunity to refuse the marketing when the details were collected.

PhonePayPlus interpreted that sending a text to a service acted as an implied opt in providing that the company only spammed me within 6 months of that original contact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is great to see some other people are blogging about this problem, albeit a few years ago. You need to take up the torch again (great site btw).</p>
<p>My plea for adopting a zero tolerance policy is really part of a wider plea for PhonePayPlus to start interpreting the rules in favour of the consumers and to help start building trust in the industry. Your comment on PhonePayPlus interpreting the rules in favour of the rogue services is borne out by a separate correspondence I had with them a couple of years ago about spam.</p>
<p>The code is very clear on spam. In the PhonePayPlus fact sheet “Unsolicited promotions” <a href="http://www.phonepayplus.org.uk/upload/factsheet_unsolicitedpromotions.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.phonepayplus.org.uk/upload/factsheet_unsolicitedpromotions.pdf</a> it says <em>“service providers should note that senders of automated direct text messages must have the prior consent of the recipient before the message is sent”</em>. The Privacy and Electronic Communication Regulations  <a href="http://www.ico.gov.uk/what_we_cover/privacy_and_electronic_communications/the_basics.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.ico.gov.uk/what_we_cover/privacy_and_electronic_communications/the_basics.aspx</a> state you must have an opportunity to <em>“refuse the marketing when your details were collected”</em></p>
<p>I argued that sending a question to a text Q and A service (not ours of course!) is not an acceptance to receive spam as I had no opportunity to refuse the marketing when the details were collected.</p>
<p>PhonePayPlus interpreted that sending a text to a service acted as an implied opt in providing that the company only spammed me within 6 months of that original contact.</p>
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		<title>By: @Schroedinger99</title>
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		<dc:creator>@Schroedinger99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify:

The BERR have always said that unsolicited reverse charge texts are illegal. Phonepayplus have always said that unsolicited reverse charge texts are legal - unless they are promotional in nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify:</p>
<p>The BERR have always said that unsolicited reverse charge texts are illegal. Phonepayplus have always said that unsolicited reverse charge texts are legal &#8211; unless they are promotional in nature.</p>
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		<title>By: @Schroedinger99</title>
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		<dc:creator>@Schroedinger99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent analysis of the problem.

It&#039;s worth mentioning that Phonepayplus do take a zero tolerance approach to &quot;missed call marketing&quot; scams on 070 numbers - Ofcom obviously put pressure on them here - but have a much higher tolerance when it comes to other types of scam - especially unsolicited reverse charge SMS scams.

As for the legality of this type of scam, this is a complex question. The DTI (now BERR) have always said it is (see eg http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t24698.html?&amp;highlight=Hodge) whereas Phonepayplus say it isn&#039;t (see http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t21290-7.html? #184 - #200).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis of the problem.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth mentioning that Phonepayplus do take a zero tolerance approach to &#8220;missed call marketing&#8221; scams on 070 numbers &#8211; Ofcom obviously put pressure on them here &#8211; but have a much higher tolerance when it comes to other types of scam &#8211; especially unsolicited reverse charge SMS scams.</p>
<p>As for the legality of this type of scam, this is a complex question. The DTI (now BERR) have always said it is (see eg <a href="http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t24698.html?&amp;highlight=Hodge)" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t24698.html?&amp;highlight=Hodge)</a> whereas Phonepayplus say it isn&#8217;t (see <a href="http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t21290-7.html?" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t21290-7.html?</a> #184 &#8211; #200).</p>
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